“With great power comes great responsibility” and that’s what Marvel Studios has had to face in representing communities from all around the world and society. Not only is it the right thing to do, but you sort of owe it to moviegoers when they’ve contributed to over $6.6 billion in U.S. ticket sales alone. And slowly but surely (perhaps a bit too slowly) the Disney division has shepherded films featuring characters such as “Black Panther,” a genuine cultural milestone, and next year’s “Captain Marvel,” its first release with a solo female lead. And there have even been calls from some of the women of the MCU for a movie of their own. While People of Color have increasingly been given the spotlight, one aspect of the Marvel Universe that’s been missing has been an LGBTQ hero or heroine. A head-scratching omission as they have been part of Marvel Comics for decades. After speaking to Marvel Studios head Kevin Feige on Sunday it appears that’s about to change.
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The context for the interview was for “Ant-Man and the Wasp” where despite the film’s San Francisco setting there isn’t a gay character to be found (it should be noted it is technically the studio’s first film with a female lead in the title). With Pride month in full effect, it seemed like the perfect opportunity to ask the Feige when its LGBTQ+ fans would get to see themselves represented on screen. Here is exactly how Feige answered that question verbatim.
The Playlist: When are we getting a Gay, Bi, LGBTQ, out character in the MCU? Is it even in the works?
Kevin Feige: Yes.
The Playlist: That’s the answer?
Kevin Feige: Yeah, that’s the answer.
The Playlist: It’s not someone we’ve seen yet, I’m guessing?
Kevin Feige: Both.
The Playlist: Both?
Kevin Feige: Both ones you’ve seen and ones you haven’t seen.
That last answer likely confirms Tessa Thompson’s revelation that Valkyrie from “Thor: Ragnarok” was bisexual (something the director confirmed was cut from the film in a podcast with The Playlist in November). It’s unclear if and when Valkyrie is returning after the events of “Avengers: Infinity War,” but since she was not depicted as having been whipped from the universe it’s likely she may be part of next year’s ‘Avengers’ follow up (or not).
The “other” character Feige refers to, and would not elaborate on, could appear in the recently titled “Spider-Man: Far From Home,” “Captain Marvel” or the next phase of Marvel films the studio does not plan on announcing until after the next untitled ‘Avengers’ film. As that next installment arrives in May perhaps fans will have something or someone to celebrate for next year’s Gay Pride month.
“Ant-Man and the Wasp” opens nationwide on July 6.
NOBODY CARES.
Unless you were elected spokesperson of the world you mean you don’t care.
No, like no one cares. Plus, they’re changing super heroes sexualities just to appease a small percentage of the population.
Precisely.
Yeah I agree. I guess they’re to happy with their success and are going down the SAME road they did with star wars and alienate the majority of their fans .
Yeah prettymuch, it just like how they’re making white super heroes black because a lot of people believe it’s racist if we don’t have so many black super heroes. We already have a LOT of black super heroes, we don’t need to make valkyrie black. That’s like making Peter Parker black like I’m as far from racist as you can get but if that happened.. I’d be pissed asf..
What super hero that was white that they changed to black? A lot of black superheroes? They didn’t make Peter parker white. It’s a different universe a different spiderman.
They didn’t make Peter Parker black. It’s a different universe a different spiderman. A lot of black superheroes? Name 10 or more without Google?
Static, Black Lightning, Cyborg, Bumble Bee, Steel, Thunder, Lightning, Vixen, War Machine, Amazing Man, Luke Cage, Prowler, Brother Voodoo, Icon, Rocket, Hardware, Mr Terrific, John Stewart, Spawn, plus a whole heap more.
I know you asked for only 10, but there you go, wouldn’t want you to think one could ONLY name 10.
And I didn’t even need to google that, all I had to do was to look at my book shelf full of graphic novels.
Black folks are always taught they are victims instead of victors. My woke African American friends know to not listen to what the left tells them.
Well they can’t be that “woke” if they’d rather you refer to them as “African Americans” and not just “Black Americans”
Does it even matter?
Kinda does
You must be that dense to not understand what he said.
Some feel the need to point out things like that. It empowers them. Lol sad
They shouldn’t condone mental illness in superhero movies that kids enjoy.
Total agreement.
When did they mention a mental illness? I haven’t seen infinity war yet so if a character with autism or something shows up there then ok, that’s a bit harsh to say they shouldn’t see themselves in a better light but whatever.
He meant like people thinking they aren’t the sex they’re born as.
HOMOSEXUALITY AND EVERYTHING ELSE WITHIN THE LGBT SCOPE HASN’T BEEN CALLED A MENTAL ILLNESS SINCE IT’S REMOVAL FROM THE DSM-III IN 1973.
IT HASN’T BEEN A MENTAL ILLNESS FOR OVER 45 YEARS. YOU STRAIGHT FOLKS LOST A BATTLE YOU COULDN’T WIN IN THE FIRST PLACE. EVERYTHING IS GAY AND SUNSHINE AND RAINBOWS AND
YOU
CAN
JUST
DEAL
WITH
IT.
That was just done to be PC. It’s clearly as much of a mental illness as paedophilia where naturally most men pray on young boys.
It was included as a mental illness in the first place for a reason.
There was no such thing as “PC” in 1973.
And you can just deal with the fact that a trans woman is a biological male and a trans man is a biological female. You can also deal with the cancellation of that sick and boring LGBTQ show Sense8.
hahaha I wish I had thought to make my name “Oh shut up” That’s awesome
You should type in ALLCAPS, too. You kids can be a power-twin duo and troll the galaxy together.
yea you sound sane
LOL, did you really create a sock puppet account, just for this?
Just because something is no longer called by a particular name doesn’t mean that it is no longer that thing.
I’ve seen a lot of ignorant stupid stuff, but this is by far one of the most ignorant things I’ve seen. You are a disgrace to the anime fandom
Anime fandom…this would be the same fandom that loves hentai right? Where things like shotacon and lolicon are popular genres, you know the ones where adults have a thing for small children.
Funny, earlier I saw an article about a gay anime called Love Stage which features gay rape and an adult who is in a gay relationship with a child looking 16 year old but no that’s mental illness right?
Anime is a disgrace to itself.
I assume you like anime from your pfp. Those anime are as ignorant as you about LGBT people, but at least they don’t call them mentally disabled.
And why yes, some anime/manga don’t portray them us well, there are some that do so don’t generalize.
(eg, Wandering Son, My Brother’s Husband, Shimanami Tasogare, Ao no Flag, and these arn’t yaoi)
They’re not ignorant, it’s just how they are. Even the most popular like One Piece has Bon Clay who is clearly warped in the mind and it’s accepted.
There’s far more anime with gay people that portray them badly. There’s a trending article on the wiki fandom right now that mentions that most Shonen AI anime feature sexual assault. If you actually Google that and look in the images most of them show an adult man with what appears to be a young kid.
https://www.anime-planet.com/images/anime/covers/sekai-ichi-hatsukoi-tv-3723.jpg?t=1405613220
Which isn’t surprising because most male pedophiles target boys rather than girls.
I’ve seen that article already.
What I’m saying is, you’re implying that all gay men are mentally insane or pedophiles just because some badly informed writer living in a country opposed to gay people portrayed them wrong. Japan is opposed to LGBT people which is why they are rarely portrayed in a positive light, meaning they ARE ignorant because are lacking knowledge or awareness of LGBT people.
I could say all straight men are rapist because a majority of rare perpetrators are straight men, which mean they are all mentally disabled and horrible people.
And what about LGBT women? You’re just gonna say they are pedophiles as well? I’m talking about the whole LGBT community.
I didn’t say they were insane, they’re just mentally ill. That’s why even though they’re grown men they still act like they’re teenage girls.
Not all straight people are rapists. Not all gay people are pedophiles but they are all mentally ill.
They should never be encouraged.
Gay people aren’t any more likely to be mentally ill than anyone else. And you can’t “encourage” anyone to be gay. God, what kind of backward timewarp did this message board fall into?
Not all gay men act like teenage girls. That’s just s stereotype and again, not a mental illness.
A illness is a disease affecting the mind or mind negatively. There is no way that being gay is a mental illness.
And again, there are gay women as well, so not all gay people act like teenage girls.
Not all no, some act like normal people but then a lot of them also act like teenage girls, it’s certainly no stereotype though.
That these are full grown adult men trying their hardest to be teenage girls, with the mannerisms, the silly voice, a lot wear make up…then that is an illness in the mind.
Gay women will often act like men, not to the same extent but still a thing.
Some gay men act feminine, not like teenage girls. And I’ve seen a good deal of lesbians who arn’t manly. IDK if you’ve been around gay people, or just see them because a great deal are not what people assume.
Why would something that makes someone act different then others a illness? That would mean it brings physical and mental harm to them but it doesn’t. That would be a mental illness. Not anything that makes someone different.
What you’re saying is backwards and ignorant and has no proof whatsoever.
“you know the ones where adults have a thing for small children.”
Only if your definition of small children is teenage girls with honking big titties.
It’s Captain Marvel.
LET’S HOPE
LET’S NOT
I agree, let us not. I want to watch Captain Marvel, but won’t if she is a lesbian.
SMH.
And who asked for this? The loud 0.1% LGBT on Twitter? If I want to watch a super hero movie I don’t want to have your sexual agenda pushed on me.
Recent surveys say >50% of young people (ages 13 to 20 I think) identify as something other than straight. I’m pretty sure that makes up way more than 0.1% of the Twitter population.
Not that representing LGBT isn’t great and progressive, but the majority of teenagers haven’t even fully formed an identity and come into themselves as people yet, they’re just following the crowd. I’m certain most of these young people are only claiming as such because not conforming to social norms is how you get attention nowadays.
What exactly makes you “certain”? Did you talk to any of them?
Those surveys always lied if you believe that bs I got a beautiful mansion on Mars for you.
Because the media is messing with their heads.
I hate to break it to you but here in reality, the truth is that the majority of humanity is straight. Nature created us to be because that is the only way to make sure the human race continues (procreation).
Recent surveys also say that 99.9% of comments about “surveys” provide no actual facts or evidence of said survey.
I’ve tried a couple of times to post the link but I don’t think I can put links in comments. It’s from Vice and it’s called “Teens These Days Are Queer AF, New Study Says”. I’ll allow you to find it yourself.
Is that the same survey company that said Hillary Clinton was going to win by a landslide?
“Recent surveys say >50% of young people (ages 13 to 20 I think) identify as something other than straight.”
Yep, it also should be noted that roughly 47% of teens are lying about their identity as anything but straight. They are doing so because society has gone from being homophobic to homophillic, becoming obsessed with identity politics.
But that’s a given, it’s all part of the performative stage of personal development all teenagers go thru.
Wow, I wish every time someone presented me with a statistic I could just say they’re lying and then give my own (unsupported) statistic, followed by an unsupported statement. You must lead a very blissful life, assuming ignorance really is bliss
“Wow, I wish every time someone presented me with a statistic I could just say they’re lying”
No one said he was lying. Quote where it is exactly you think I said he was lying.
“roughly 47% of teens are lying about their identity”
You said they’re lying. Right there. Where you said, “teens are lying”. The part of your post where you used the word lying. Is where I said you think they’re lying. But I like how you’re avoiding supporting your own stat, because it’s bullsh*t
Ah, I see, you were confused by my wording. That’s on me, I should have been more clear about who you were accusing of lying.
Right, now we’ve covered that, we know for a fact a couple of things.
1. Teenagers are a type of human.
2. Teenagers grow up and become adults.
3. Adults are also human
4. Humans lie
5. 47% of teenagers claim to be something other than straight
6. 47% of adults are not LGBT.
So clearly those teenagers are identifying as something they aren’t, which is common place for teenagers. It’s the performative aspect of teenagers, as any one who has ever had teenagers, knows teenagers, or has to function in any capacity with teenagers knows.
The post about the survey thought was in response to the question “Who asked for this”. Teens are asking for this. The point of the response, as far as I can see, is that today’s teens are far more questioning of their sexuality than previous generations. Generations older than mine as young people had to deal with far, far more hate than we do today, of course the majority of gay people aren’t going to come out, that’s risking being murdered. In some places today it still is. Thus, a low and inaccurate number.
https://www.mpaa.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/MPAA-Theatrical-Market-Statistics-2016_Final-1.pdf (2016 is the most recent one I could find)
But back to the question, “who asked for this”, of all demographics, per capita attendance of movies in general is highest among 12-17 year olds (page 16) and that age group and 18-24 year olds are over represented at movies relative to their population size (page 15). Assuming this translates to Marvel movies, and assuming the kids in that survey aren’t lying, because there isn’t any hard proof reason not to believe them, the queer gen Z wants more movies representing who they are.
Even if you are right, they’re lying, they obviously think that lying about being gay is a good idea, and will make them seem cool, otherwise why would they do it? They’re the target age demographic for these movies. The movies should be catering to them because it’s their money they want. Do you really think these kids would lie about being queer and then be upset that the movies they’re all obsessed with feature a queer character? Adding a queer character to the franchise honestly just makes logical sense at this point.
“The point of the response, as far as I can see, is that today’s teens are far more questioning of their sexuality than previous generations.”
They aren’t. They are just doing what teens have always done, tried to impress each other, it is the performative nature of teenagers. The fact that this generations version of that is to identify as bullshit they are not, tells us nothing except that teenagers in every generation talk bullshit.
And just like the previous generation wasn’t more questioning of their species & if they really are a wolf stuck in a human body, or more questioning of how many people live inside their head, this generation isn’t questioning their sexuality.
“Generations older than mine as young people had to deal with far, far more hate than we do today, of course the majority of gay people aren’t going to come out, that’s risking being murdered. In some places today it still is. Thus, a low and inaccurate number.”
Hyperbolic bullshit. That’s the excuse the LGBT use when they want to pretend the small percentage of the population that is gay is secretly much lower than it actually is.
you are just going to have to accept that the amount of LGBT people is about 4% of the population.
“Even if you are right, they’re lying, they obviously think that lying about being gay is a good idea”
Sure, teenagers think a lot of stupid things are a good idea, that’s why we don’t let them vote, drink, drive, sign legal contracts or any number of other adult rights.
And here’s the thing about people who give the answers they think you want on a survey, but that does not translate in to butts in seats, or consumer dollars.
You only need look as far as Marvels comics. They capitulated to an imaginary audience & now their sales are in the toilet, with no way to recover them without admitting that they fucked up when they decided to try to appeal to this imaginary audience of 45% of school kids who totally aren’t straight & the +60% of comic book consumers who are totally women you guys.
The term “get woke, go broke” exists for a reason.
You still haven’t provided a source for any of your stats. You’re on here demanding other people provide you with sources for their claims but haven’t provided a single one yourself.
I just don’t understand how you can just say “they aren’t” and then provide absolutely no hard evidence that that’s true. All the while telling other people they need to source their claims.
Are you referring to most of human history as “hyperbolic bullshit?” It is a fact that LGBT people have been murdered for their sexuality. Harvey Milk, the first openly gay elected official in California was assassinated in 1978, there are currently 3 serial killers of gay men still uncaught (https://people.howstuffworks.com/serial-killers-gay-men-still-on-loose.htm).
As recently as 2014, the FBI reported that 20.8% of hate crimes reported to police in were founded on perceived sexual orientation. 61% of those attacks were against gay men. (https://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/latest-hate-crime-statistics-report-released) It’s not hyperbole. The history of violence against LGBT people is well documented. It is still considered a crime in some countries, where you can be imprisoned or even sentenced to death.
“As of August 2017, 73 countries as well as five sub-national jurisdictions have laws criminalizing homosexuality… In 2006 that number was 92” (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_by_country_or_territory) Are you calling that hyperbole? Are you honestly telling me that if an identityis considered illegal in 92 countries, the penalty being death, or was the target of multiple serial killers, you don’t think that would force anyone to lie about it?
You said yourself that teens are humans, and humans lie. Well adults are also human. And as we’ve already worked out, humans lie. How are you so absolutely sure that teens are lying but adults aren’t? and again, I’m going to ask you to source your claims, if you can.
Voting, drinking, driving, and signing legal documents don’t have target audiences they’re trying to please. Movies do. That’s why you can’t compare the two. These teens are the target demographic for these movies. If the MCU execs want these films to succeed, it is quite clearly in their best interest to make the movies that these kids want to see. Someone else mentioned that you don’t get to demand what kind of film someone else creates, but if that filmmaker wants people to actually see their movie, they’re going to have to make it something that these people actually want to see. The Marvel movies aren’t art house films that are made for artistic expression and released in 10 theaters, they’re blockbusters out to make money. And most of their money is coming from these kids. These kids that are telling the execs, “if you want my money, please make more diverse superheros”
“And here’s the thing about people who give the answers they think you want on a survey, but that does not translate in to butts in seats, or consumer dollars.”
I’m not sure this grammatically makes sense, but I think I get what you’re saying. There is literally no precedent that allows us to know this. What movie tried to add diversity and it didn’t translate to butts in seats? Deadpool 2 gave Negasonic Teenage Warhead a girlfriend and that’s made $305 million. Black Panther finally gave the lead to a non-white guy and made $700 million. (both of these numbers can be found at Box Office Mojo) It clearly does translate to butts in seats.
I don’t know enough about the business side of Marvel comics to debate you on that. But what happens in one industry will not necessarily happen to another. Shouldn’t you want a gay Marvel movie to come out (lol) just so you can hope it fails and then you can use it for your argument? Or is your actual fear that one will come out and it will be so huge that you’ll have been proven wrong once again?
“Get woke, go broke”? Is that an alt-right thing? That sounds like an alt-right thing.
But I gave you plenty of sources for my statements (and since Wikipedia has it’s sources in the footnotes there’s a bunch more there), and you have yet to give me a single one for yours. And until you can support what you’re saying with sources, I think I’m going to have to stop indulging you.
This is a ridiculous statement. Having a gay character doesn’t push a “sexual agenda” on anyone. There are gay people in life, and there are gay people in stories. That’s it. Unless it’s a major plot point, it’s no more the “agenda” than Steve Rogers and Agent Carter. It just is. Marvel DOES HAVE gay characters.
No it is an agenda. We aren’t talking about making a movie with a gay person in it, you are talking about changing the sexuality of established characters to make a noisy minority happy.
And before someone jumps in & says “but m’ah representation”, it should be noted that the LGBT are already over represented in movies, according to gay advocacy group GLADD, so representation is not an argument.
So if there is no narrative reason to switch someones sexuality & you aren’t making a new intellectual property & if there is no argument for representation, not that representation is an argument anyway, that would leave only an agenda.
And alas it is the same agenda we have seen in Marvels comics over the last couple of years, where SJW’s have been allowed to run roughshod all over the IP, destroying it as they go.
They do it all the time in reverse. Many movies based on other works have the LGBT scrubbed out of them for the screen, turning the characters straight.
The DC and Marvel-based movies and TV shows routinely throw a curve-ball from established comics. So does The Walking Dead with TV vs. comics. They change genders, races, names. . .it’s not necessarily “agenda-based,” it’s just putting a twist on the story. No need to get bunched up over it.
“They do it all the time in reverse. Many movies based on other works have the LGBT scrubbed out of them for the screen, turning the characters straight.”
No, they simply don’t make a big deal out of it, because it serves no narrative purpose, like the recent lesbian character in Jurassic World. Just because her monologue about being a muff diver was removed, it didn’t make her straight.
“The DC and Marvel-based movies and TV shows routinely throw a curve-ball from established comics.”
For narrative purposes. If you do it for any purpose OTHER than narrative purposes you are pushing an agenda, otherwise, you’d never have gone to the trouble of doing so.
The “agenda” can be simply telling a different story from the one we’re all used to. And an “agenda” isn’t implicitly a negative thing anyway. But I still disagree that it is by definition a political thing. Example: making Sulu gay in Star Trek had no effect on the story, but it’s little more than homage to George Takei. Who cares? Did you find that outrageously agenda-driven? Jeryn Hogarth changed genders and sexualities in the MCU, did that hurt the story or push an agenda? Not yet, not that I’ve seen.
“The ‘agenda’ can be simply telling a different story from the one we’re all used to.”
No, if you want to tell a different story, go and tell a different story. You don’t get to do that in previously established intellectual properties & then pretend that you aren’t doing it because you have a specific agenda that has nothing to do with creating an interesting narrative.
“making Sulu gay in Star Trek had no effect on the story, but it’s little more than homage to George Takei. Who cares?”
George Takei cared. He was opposed to them having done so for exactly the reason that was given..
By the way, you misunderstood my point. There are many movies that have been made from novels or plays, or even real life, where gay characters are turned straight for the film. I included a link.
The reporter wonders why they haven’t (Marvel and Disney) done it sooner..because they don’t wanna turn off the MAJORITY who don’t wanna see that shit. That entire alphabet gang represents 3.19% of the American population, yet, TV and movies make it seem like more
Yeah and they ain’t fucking special either, like how come they have parades an shit for their weird ass “sexualities”, like ok if you can do that we gonna have a fuckin straight people parade. But that would be considered sexist oh no God forbid I offend someone.
Great. /sarc
Phew, I was really concerned.
shoving lgbt in ones face is subliminal messaging! why not lable newborns at birth!
if you look like a dude, but are so butch i call you sir, dont get mad! same for the flamers! you look like a woman but get all bitchy when treated like a woman! make up your mind! btw, proud father of both so sftu if u want to call me out!
The downfall is coming then
This is suppose to be about action, adventure, comics. When did it matter about the sexual orientation of a comic character? Want romance, seek a eomance film. I want my fights!
Plenty of romance in superhero flicks, plenty of romance in comics. Always has been, since Action Comics #1 and even before.
WICCANO? Ice man? Ayo? Valkyrie?
This is not going to end well for them. They did this to their comics and have all but euthanized the industry with it. Disney is likely regretting this decision with Star Wars already. If they can get past Avengers 4 without turning MCU into a child twerking pride parade, I’ll happily quit their movies when their new policies begin.
I want a life so empty that I care about the sexuality of a TV character. I envy those who habe time to contemplate the sexuality of a fake person.
There’s a pretty good chance that the reason you don’t care about the sexuality of a TV character is because all (or the majority of them) happen to be of the same sexuality as you. If you’re straight, and the vast majority of TV and movie characters were gay, I’m willing to bet that you’d become pretty concerned
“There’s a pretty good chance that the reason you don’t care about the sexuality of a TV character is because all (or the majority of them) happen to be of the same sexuality as you.”
Yes, just like in real life.
I DONT KNOW HOW TO CONVINCE YOU THAT YOU SHOULD CARE ABOUT OTHER HUMAN BEINGS. GAY PEOPLE COUNT AS HUMAN BEINGS SINCE THEY ARE, IN FACT, HUMAN. WHY IS EMPATHY SO DIFFICULT FOR YOU PEOPLE???
How does demonstrable facts that heterosexual people make up the overwhelming majority have anything to do with caring about people, and all caps?
Be honest, you’ve just realised you are talking crap, that you’ve talked yourself in to a corner & that the person you are talking to isn’t going to fall for the standard bluster & you are actually going to have to make a real point.
So to reiterate, how does the fact one recognises the demonstrable reality that straight people massively outnumber LGBT people & by extension this would continue on in to media make one lacking in empathy?
Be specific.
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/01653aca6d262fc619883177a744c3da5e6ebc35e81469c353d19297209c03d1.png
Empathy is the ability to understand and share the feelings of another. LGBT people make up an unknown percentage of the population, I’ll admit that I have not done the field research to say exactly what that percent is, but it is true that the LGBT population is growing. One of the many, many reasons people don’t admit to being LGBT is fear from people like those in this comment thread, so with fewer people coming out, it makes the population seem lower. As people (not you) become more and more open minded and progressive, the number of people who feel safe to come out will grow. LGBT people are feeling underrepresented, and you don’t seem to be able to even comprehend what it’s like to be a minority.
You’re entire argument is, “I’m part of a majority so that means everything should cater to us”. We’re not asking for a 100% gay avengers team, we’re not asking for Steve Rogers and Bucky to start the next movie by making out. We want a single person in a film series spanning 20+ movies, 10+ years, and featuring 100+ characters, to be like us. To act like us. Just one. And people like you comment on articles like this crying that the media that used to cater to you is now still mostly catering to you, but is also now considering throwing us a bone, and you just absolutely cannot have that. Being a majority doesn’t make you right. The reason I brought up empathy is because I shouldn’t have to tell you that LGBT people have it hard. I shouldn’t have to tell you that LGBT people are constantly bullied and harassed and torn down just because of who they love. I shouldn’t have to tell you that a young gay kid who sees a superhero just like him or her can change a persons life. Can literally save a person’s life. But I guess since we have it hard specifically because of people like you, I shouldn’t have expected you to understand.
Yep, that’s more obfuscation. No one asked you what empathy was, you were asked how you got from the fact that the majority of the world is straight & that by extension the majority of film characters are going to be straight because of that fact, to the point “hence you have no empathy.”
Stop obfuscating & answer the given question.
Dude, at this point you’re arguing for the sake of arguing. We’re spinning wheels here. I’m never going to convince you that gay people deserve adequate representation, and you’re never going to convince me that you’re not a bigoted homophobe. I’m signing off this for good, I hope you can one day see how wrong you are
“Dude, at this point you’re arguing for the sake of arguing.”
LOL no, I’m pointing out that you’ve not made an argument. You’ve been shadow boxing your own idea of what you are being told, rather than addressing any point that has been made to you.
Now to reiterate once more: How did you got from the fact that the majority of the world is straight & that by extension the majority of film characters are going to be straight because of that fact, to the point “hence you have no empathy.”
So strong were your convictions, a few questioning posts sent you to Siberia.
And you have the temerity to castigate these people……..
So strong were your convictions, a few questioning posts sent you to Siberia.
And you have the temerity to castigate these people……..
Lame…
Hulk out of the closet.. Finally.?
I can’t wait to see superman getting his dick sucked by a guy and his load blast thru the guy’s head ?
If the character was written homosexual then fine…. but serious.. I can’t help but to believe they’ll only make female characters be gay for male viewers….
How do we know that Falcon or War Machine or Quicksilver aren’t gay in the MCU? Would it make a damned bit of difference if it were announced officially or not?
Jesus, what the hell is the matter with you people? I feel like I stumbled into the comment section of Breitbart or Stormfront. “Who cares about gay superheroes in the MCU?” I, and millions of other gay people, do. 99.999999% of all super heroes are straight. To push to have ONE super hero who is a gay male is not that much to ask considering we constitute AT LEAST 3% of the population, but more likely 8-22%. Representation in films matter. It gives struggling youth at risk for suicide the strength to be themselves and to prosper. It shows the world that we aren’t a bunch of child predators and leeches, but people of strong character who do great things. It also allows there to be some diversity in a world where everyone on screen is white and straight and mostly male. Get over yourselvesm people. Change is coming and there’s nothing you bigots can do to stop it.
No, dude, 22% of society is not gay. If they were, then you would have nothing to complain about.
Entertainment is just that; entertainment. It is not meant to educate. I you want to learn, watch a documentary film. If you want to make a film staring a gay dude, then make it yourself. Why on earth should anyone be forced to make a film the way you would like for it to be made?!?!
Nature created most of humanity as straight as a needle in order to facilitate enough procreation to keep the human race thriving. If all people were gay, the human race wouod have died out long ago. Imagine that; something that some people are, would end humanity if we were all like that.
I don’t care what gay people do in their bedrooms. I just don’t have any desire to ever see gay sex. Why? Because the very thought of two men kissing, having sex, etc., is tremendously disgusting to me. That is not something I was taught. It is a natural reaction just like the thought of a brother and sister having sex. No amount of LGBTQXYZ propaganda is ever going to change my natural feelings on the subject.
There is no future where we all just love to see hay sex scenes. There is no future where we all have no problem spending our time and money watching gay love stories.
Now I know, this is the part where you claim that the same was once said about black Americans. The problem with that false assumption is that black people are no different than white, brown or any other people. A black man is a biological male with the same primary sex organs as a white biological male. The only medical science physical differences are their skin color. A straight biological black man having sex with and or falling in love with a straight biological female, is the same no matter the skin color. The same is NOT true when it comes to gays and trans people.
I get that propaganda isn’t going to change your feelings, but have you ever even tried gay sex? Who knows, you might like it
Have you ever tried to eat dog poop?! No! Why? Because you know enough about it to know that you would not enjoy it. What you gay people don’t seem to comprehend is that you are wired differently. What turns you on, is not the same as what turns us on. I have zero interest in ever touching or coming anywhere near the same stuff I’m working with.
Enjoy being you and seeing people like you do as you do but leave the rest of us outta of it.
putting eating dog poop and having sex on the same plane make me worry for your sex life
First of all, my sex life is nothing for you to worry about or consider.
Try getting in touch with reality. What I was actually saying is that the idea of having gay sex is literally as disgusting to me and most heterosexual males, as eating poop. No, seriously, you just can’t comprehend that. I mean literally they are both equally disgusting to me.
Again, what turns you on does not apply to me and others like me. And while you’re busy saying “oh come on just try it because I love it you may love it too” we are on the other side, saying the exact same thing about heterosexual sex and how gay people should just give it a shot because after all, that is what nature intended for most of us in order to keep the human race alive and thriving. In other words, male parts were made to fit into female parts (not sure if this site allows some words).
Reproduction is the most important and primary reason for us having sex organs. Pleasure is just that, pleasure and the ability to physically express love, lust, desire, and affection. Last time I checked, gay people can’t reproduce on their own.
Speaking for only myself, it was precisely hetero sex that made me finally realize that I am super super gay. I did try it. It was terrible. Also, definitely true, gay people can’t reproduce, that’s why they adopt the kids straight people can’t seem to stop having. Gay people are a solution to overpopulation, I feel like more people should be on board for this.
On board with what exactly? I’m on board with people who are gay doing whatever they want to do. You should have all the same rights as the rest of us to marry and whatever else your heart desires. However, that does not include demanding that private businesses (studios) produce films with gay characters.
If you want to make films with gay characters then do the exact same thing that black and Asian Americans have done in making their own films, using their talent to push their way into the Hollywood system. People of color, did not just show up one day and demand that white-dominated Hollywood make movies about them. Their was a long struggle (still in-progress) where they had no choice but to prove on their own, that their was enough of a demand for people of color starring in films.
And btw’ not all gay people make great parents. Ever heard of Rosie O’Donnell? Adopted a girl who now hates her as much as she hates her adopted daughter.
“Speaking for only myself, it was precisely hetero sex that made me finally realize that I am super super gay.”
LOL no, you are a sock puppet account, created specifically to troll people in this discussion thread, today.
I was about to let this nonsensical spring of comments pass, but I can’t.
Entertainment is more than about just entertaining. Good storytelling is designed to change people and make them see the world in a way they hadn’t before. Just because you come from the school of “shut up and sing” and “just entertain, don’t talk politics” doesn’t make it anything more than the mind numbing crap that it is. Sure, that’s great for some people and those are the same people who think “reality television” is great entertainment too in spite of the fact of how harmful it is to the people who star in them. It’s garbage, like entertainment without substance, and it indicates the downfall of our civilization. Someone in the comments below talked about this (of all things) being the death of our civilization. Wrong. A dead culture with no artistic meaning is the sign of a dying civilization, not gay guys being represented in film.
Gay people are not as out in this society because of bigoted people like you. For every one out person, there are at least three other people who aren’t because they fear rejection and judgement by people like you. The real number of gay people in our society is not accurately reflected and if you factor in all of the people who are gay but lie due to religious bigotry, social stigma or the lack of freedom to be who they are, the number is closer to 22% than it is 3%. It’s not a majority of people by any means, but it’s a sizable enough minority who is not being catered to in the entertainment world.
This is why having gay people in films is so important. Having representation allows people to have a sense of identity they can hold onto and use it to bring themselves to terms with who they really are. It also serves to normalize to everyone else that gay people are here and we aren’t going anywhere. Hiding us and refusing to represent us in film, particular superhero films, doesn’t mean we aren’t present, it’s just that we aren’t visible. Besides, gay people make up a significant audience of superhero films despite being a minority and a smart business would look to cater to that.
We aren’t the only group that isn’t being catered to in film either. Fat people deserve to be featured as superheroes, even if that isn’t the case now. Sentry’s real life identity in the Marvel comics is an obese person. Muslims, Asians, and the disabled are also better portrayed in the comics. They should all get screen time. Everyone deserves to be seen.
Not everyone has to “love” gay/trans scenes. In fact, less than 40% of the whole population even goes to the movies at all. For a large portion of the movie going audience, gay people want to be seen and it would be successful. Black people have faced the same sorts of discrimination because they weren’t society’s “majority” and to this day, a lot of people still don’t want to see black people on their screens for the same reasons bigots don’t want to see gay people. That doesn’t stop their successes, in spite of the naysayers. And yes, the comparison is similar. In fact, it’s worse for black people because bigots didn’t want to see them on the screen for extremely racist reasons like seeing them as animals or not as human as white people. They persevered through those types of sentiments by pushing Hollywood the way the gay community has pushed Kevin Fiege. They’ve been successful, but they still have a long way to go. The gay community is much farther behind, but we’ll catch up eventually.
It’s unfortunate that you are a bigot, as are the vast majority of commenters here with their doltish views and ignorant mindsets. Perhaps a strong gay superhero story will change that (lol doubtful). The only reason I even saw this website in the first place was because it was linked from a gay website (s/o to DataLounge). In spite of your small mindedness, and all of the others here bad mouthing a large segment of the population by saying “who cares” knowing that they do, our community will persevere and we will be seen and we will be successful. Too bad, so sad, if you and your ilk don’t like it. I’ve said my piece. Have a good life.
Having gay people/material in films is fine, but a large percentage of normal society isn’t going to be interested in watching those films or finding out if a male character is interested in another character’s anus.
“Good storytelling is designed to change people and make them see the world in a way they hadn’t before.”
Is that what Stan Lee said the purpose of Marvel stories is? No, that is just a generalization that you are projecting onto Marvel because you want it to be true. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, Daniel. Sometimes stories are written simply for the face value shallow entertainment value. In order to determine which are which you need to ask the author of the stories what their intent was. You can not just assume it was something. Stan Lee has been quoted hundreds of times indicating that his purpose in creating the characters was purely for the fun of it. So you are completely 100% wrong.
“I was about to let this nonsensical spring of comments pass, but I can’t.”
LOL!!!!! The little gay boy actually believes he has something to teach the rest of us. Good luck with that.
“Entertainment is more than about just entertaining. Good storytelling is designed to change people and make them see the world in a way they hadn’t before. Just because you come from the school of “shut up and sing” and “just entertain, don’t talk politics” doesn’t make it anything more than the mind numbing crap that it is.”
Woah nelly!!!! Hey umm, short bus, I’m a USC film and computer science grad. My father is a partner in an L.A. entertainment law firm. You are talking about a subject you know nothing about.
First of all, we call it show business because it is a business. Hollywood motion picture productions are made by LLC’s and for-profit corporations, not non-profits. All of the major studies have shareholders. What that means is that they are in the business of producing products for the purpose of appealing to as wide an audience as they can because most films do not get to black; a few have to make up for the losses of the others.
“It’s garbage, like entertainment without substance, and it indicates the downfall of our civilization. Someone in the comments below talked about this (of all things) being the death of our civilization. Wrong. A dead culture with no artistic meaning is the sign of a dying civilization, not gay guys being represented in film.”
Silly fool! I’ve been to 22 countries and counting. There are things far worse than reality TV in our world. You speak as if to assume that America is hooked on reality TV. Over 350 million people in the U.S. and less 20% of them watch reality TV. Why don’t you research the stats for the most popular reality TV shows?! Google is your friend. Willful ignorance is not.
“Gay people are not as out in this society because of bigoted people like you. For every one out person, there are at least three other people who aren’t because they fear rejection and judgement by people like you.”
Short bus, I live in Malibu CA and work nearby in Santa Monica CA. Santa Monica is near West Hollywood, a city with an entire street filled with gay bars. Many gay people work within my dads firm. Your dramatic display belongs in grade schools that are not around here.
One more time; I don’t give an F what gay people do, where they live or work. The thought of gay sex is simply personally repulsive to me. Should I lie about that feeling and pretend it isn’t, just to make you feel better about yourself? I have no interest in seeing to men on screen going at it. I hardly like seeing too much sex with men and women but would take that over gay sex scenes any day.
You want for the world to see gay relationships no different than heterosexual relationships. Sorry, short bus, that ain’t ever going to happen on a mass scale. Why? Because it is natural for human beings to see something like sex on film and to imagine themselves in the place of the male or female. That also applies to watching porn. People don’t watch gay porn unless that is something that appeals to them. Why on earth do you suppose that lead actors are often physically very attractive people??? When it comes to sex scenes, most people enjoy seeing what they are attracted to. Period! Give the people what they desire is often a very good business decision.
“The real number of gay people in our society is not accurately reflected and if you factor in all of the people who are gay but lie due to religious bigotry, social stigma or the lack of freedom to be who they are, the number is closer to 22% than it is 3%.”
Let me guess, you also believe that the sun doesn’t rise until you wake up?!
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/05/americans-have-no-idea-how-few-gay-people-there-are/257753/
https://news.gallup.com/poll/183383/americans-greatly-overestimate-percent-gay-lesbian.aspx
https://www.npr.org/2011/06/08/137057974/-institute-of-medicine-finds-lgbt-health-research-gaps-in-us
“This is why having gay people in films is so important. Having representation allows people to have a sense of identity they can hold onto and use it to bring themselves to terms with who they really are.”
Again, so you are once again ignoring the fact that motion pictures are a for-profit business. Companies are owned by people who have their money tied up in said companies. It is not their job nor responsibility to further your agenda. Take a look at the revenue figures for films with gay leading gay characters. Google it, short bus. America and the rest of the world, do not want to spend their money watching leading gay characters. Most of America (and the world) does not live on Broke Back Mountain, doesn’t want to visit Broke Back Mountain, nor do they want to receive postcards of Broke Back Mountain.
You don’t get to tell businesses how they should make their products. Again, show business is all about business when it comes to the people who own and fund the product. From market demographics to historical performance data; they greenlight projects that they believe can make a profit in not only the domestic market but more so now, the international markets.
“It also serves to normalize to everyone else that gay people are here and we aren’t going anywhere. “
What so many of you LGBTQ members don’t seem to comprehend is that there are MANY of us who just don’t care. Don’t care as we fully understand that you are here and not going away. We just don’t care. Your happiness should not be dependent on how strangers view you and your lifestyle/romance/love, etc. That is what young LGBTQ members should be taught early on in life. You will never get approval from 100% of the world or even a majority of the world. After all of these decades, black Americans are still fighting racism and not just from old people. But somehow, you assume that your desire to be accepted by everyone should just happen yesterday. Good luck with that.
“Besides, gay people make up a significant audience of superhero films despite being a minority and a smart business would look to cater to that.”
There seems to be no end to your ignorance, made up facts and talking in circles. Again, short bus, the business of Hollywood, is the business of doing what makes money. There are MANY gay executives in Hollywood. Why don’t you try crying a river in their direction??? Why don’t you ask X-Men and Superman director Bryan Singer, why he did not and still does not feature more gay characters? Superman Returns was directed by Singer, a gay man. It co-starred a gay man, Spacey, it had a gay editor, Elliot Graham (who also edited Milk). But it had no gay characters.
You want Hollywood to make a special little gay superhero, then why not start by asking the gay Hollywood players to do so and see what they tell you.
“We aren’t the only group that isn’t being catered to in film either. Fat people deserve to be featured as superheroes,”
LOL!!!!! Shor bus, most “fat people” don’t like to be called “fat people” any more than you like being called the H or F words. And as I’ve already stated, nobody is representing them even though there are FAR MORE of them than gay people and then of course, some of them are gay too. Again, most people would rather see their lead characters being someone they would like to be with, to have sex with, even if just in the fantasy land of their daydreams. That is what makes people feel good. Feeling good is part of what gives people a good time. People go to watch movies to escape the reality of life. Even many obese people enjoy seeing someone who is not obese as that main character that they find attractive. Have you ever seen a daytime talk show? Notice all of the obese women in the audience screaming when a good looking athletic actor comes on stage?!?!?! What does that tell you?!?! What do you suppose that tells film studios?
When the first Transformers film was made, executive producer Steven Spielberg knew that the primary target audience would naturally be male. To help attract females, they cast a very good looking male lead, Josh Dunhamel. That is now and has always been the way the game of show business is played.
“For a large portion of the movie-going audience, gay people want to be seen and it would be successful. “
No, short bus, that is not true. Really, your desires do not equal reality. Again, look at the historical data. All Hollywood cares about is success. If they had any real indicators that what you want, would be widely accepted, they would do it. Instead, here, in reality, you want Hollywood to force feed gay characters to the world in hopes that they will enjoy it and if not they ill choke on it as in “accept us or screw you.”
“Black people have faced the same sorts of discrimination because they weren’t society’s “majority” and to this day, a lot of people still don’t want to see black people on their screens for the same reasons bigots don’t want to see gay people.”
Now, here you are mixing some truth with some fiction. Black Americans are not in the exact same boat as gay people. You do not wear a badge on your forehead that says you are gay! In your mind, you are gay 24/7 but outside of your mind, you are only gay when you tell and or show people you are gay. When your skin color is black, brown, etc., you are always on call. There are no days off from racism.
Furthermore, do you really not comprehend the hypocrisy in your rambling?!?!?! On one hand, you claim that Hollywood needs to make gay characters because you know they would do so well. On the other hand, you go on to state that it is the same struggle that black Americans are faced with and that some people won’t see films with black characters. Logical? Right!
You are more than welcome to call me a bigot or anything else you wish. Unlike you, my happiness and my knowledge and belief in who I am is not dependent on the thoughts and feelings of random strangers such as you. Again, it all comes down to gay people such as yourself, desperately wanting the rest of us to accept you, to like you, to not be grossed the heck out by that which turns you on. Good luck with that.
“I was about to let this nonsensical spring of comments pass, but I can’t.”
LOL!!!!! The little gay boy actually believes he has something to teach the rest of us. Good luck with that.
“Entertainment is more than about just entertaining. Good storytelling is designed to change people and make them see the world in a way they hadn’t before. Just because you come from the school of “shut up and sing” and “just entertain, don’t talk politics” doesn’t make it anything more than the mind numbing crap that it is.”
Woah nelly!!!! Hey umm, short bus, I’m a USC film and computer science grad. My father is a partner in an L.A. entertainment law firm. You are talking about a subject you know nothing about.
First of all, we call it show business because it is a business. Hollywood motion picture productions are made by LLC’s and for-profit corporations, not non-profits. All of the major studies have shareholders. What that means is that they are in the business of producing products for the purpose of appealing to as wide an audience as they can because most films do not get to black; a few have to make up for the losses of the others.
“It’s garbage, like entertainment without substance, and it indicates the downfall of our civilization. Someone in the comments below talked about this (of all things) being the death of our civilization. Wrong. A dead culture with no artistic meaning is the sign of a dying civilization, not gay guys being represented in film.”
Silly fool! I’ve been to 22 countries and counting. There are things far worse than reality TV in our world. You speak as if to assume that America is hooked on reality TV. Over 350 million people in the U.S. and less 20% of them watch reality TV. Why don’t you research the stats for the most popular reality TV shows?! Google is your friend. Willful ignorance is not.
“Gay people are not as out in this society because of bigoted people like you. For every one out person, there are at least three other people who aren’t because they fear rejection and judgement by people like you.”
Short bus, I live in Malibu CA and work nearby in Santa Monica CA. Santa Monica is near West Hollywood, a city with an entire street filled with gay bars. Many gay people work within my dads firm. Your dramatic display belongs in grade schools that are not around here.
One more time; I don’t give an F what gay people do, where they live or work. The thought of gay sex is simply personally repulsive to me. Should I lie about that feeling and pretend it isn’t, just to make you feel better about yourself? I have no interest in seeing to men on screen going at it. I hardly like seeing too much sex with men and women but would take that over gay sex scenes any day.
You want for the world to see gay relationships no different than heterosexual relationships. Sorry, short bus, that ain’t ever going to happen on a mass scale. Why? Because it is natural for human beings to see something like sex on film and to imagine themselves in the place of the male or female. That also applies to watching porn. People don’t watch gay porn unless that is something that appeals to them. Why on earth do you suppose that lead actors are often physically very attractive people??? When it comes to sex scenes, most people enjoy seeing what they are attracted to. Period! Give the people what they desire is often a very good business decision.
“The real number of gay people in our society is not accurately reflected and if you factor in all of the people who are gay but lie due to religious bigotry, social stigma or the lack of freedom to be who they are, the number is closer to 22% than it is 3%.”
Let me guess, you also believe that the sun doesn’t rise until you wake up?!
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/05/americans-have-no-idea-how-few-gay-people-there-are/257753/
https://news.gallup.com/poll/183383/americans-greatly-overestimate-percent-gay-lesbian.aspx
https://www.npr.org/2011/06/08/137057974/-institute-of-medicine-finds-lgbt-health-research-gaps-in-us
“This is why having gay people in films is so important. Having representation allows people to have a sense of identity they can hold onto and use it to bring themselves to terms with who they really are.”
Again, so you are once again ignoring the fact that motion pictures are a for-profit business. Companies are owned by people who have their money tied up in said companies. It is not their job nor responsibility to further your agenda. Take a look at the revenue figures for films with gay leading gay characters. Google it, short bus. America and the rest of the world, do not want to spend their money watching leading gay characters. Most of America (and the world) does not live on Broke Back Mountain, doesn’t want to visit Broke Back Mountain, nor do they want to receive postcards of Broke Back Mountain.
You don’t get to tell businesses how they should make their products. Again, show business is all about business when it comes to the people who own and fund the product. From market demographics to historical performance data; they greenlight projects that they believe can make a profit in not only the domestic market but more so now, the international markets.
“It also serves to normalize to everyone else that gay people are here and we aren’t going anywhere. ”
What so many of you LGBTQ members don’t seem to comprehend is that there are MANY of us who just don’t care. Don’t care as we fully understand that you are here and not going away. We just don’t care. Your happiness should not be dependent on how strangers view you and your lifestyle/romance/love, etc. That is what young LGBTQ members should be taught early on in life. You will never get approval from 100% of the world or even a majority of the world. After all of these decades, black Americans are still fighting racism and not just from old people. But somehow, you assume that your desire to be accepted by everyone should just happen yesterday. Good luck with that.
“Besides, gay people make up a significant audience of superhero films despite being a minority and a smart business would look to cater to that.”
There seems to be no end to your ignorance, made up facts and talking in circles. Again, short bus, the business of Hollywood, is the business of doing what makes money. There are MANY gay executives in Hollywood. Why don’t you try crying a river in their direction??? Why don’t you ask X-Men and Superman director Bryan Singer, why he did not and still does not feature more gay characters? Superman Returns was directed by Singer, a gay man. It co-starred a gay man, Spacey, it had a gay editor, Elliot Graham (who also edited Milk). But it had no gay characters.
You want Hollywood to make a special little gay superhero, then why not start by asking the gay Hollywood players to do so and see what they tell you.
“We aren’t the only group that isn’t being catered to in film either. Fat people deserve to be featured as superheroes,”
LOL!!!!! Shor bus, most “fat people” don’t like to be called “fat people” any more than you like being called the H or F words. And as I’ve already stated, nobody is representing them even though there are FAR MORE of them than gay people and then of course, some of them are gay too. Again, most people would rather see their lead characters being someone they would like to be with, to have sex with, even if just in the fantasy land of their daydreams.
That is what makes people feel good. Feeling good is part of what gives people a good time. People go to watch movies to escape the reality of life. Even many obese people enjoy seeing someone who is not obese as that main character that they find attractive. Have you ever seen a daytime talk show? Notice all of the obese women in the audience screaming when a good looking athletic actor comes on stage?!?!?! What does that tell you?!?! What do you suppose that tells film studios?
When the first Transformers film was made, executive producer Steven Spielberg knew that the primary target audience would naturally be male. To help attract females, they cast a very good looking male lead, Josh Dunhamel. That is now and has always been the way the game of show business is played.
“For a large portion of the movie-going audience, gay people want to be seen and it would be successful. ”
No, short bus, that is not true. Really, your desires do not equal reality. Again, look at the historical data. All Hollywood cares about is success. If they had any real indicators that what you want, would be widely accepted, they would do it. Instead, here, in reality, you want Hollywood to force feed gay characters to the world in hopes that they will enjoy it and if not they ill choke on it as in “accept us or screw you.”
“Black people have faced the same sorts of discrimination because they weren’t society’s “majority” and to this day, a lot of people still don’t want to see black people on their screens for the same reasons bigots don’t want to see gay people.”
Now, here you are mixing some truth with some fiction. Black Americans are not in the exact same boat as gay people. You do not wear a badge on your forehead that says you are gay! In your mind, you are gay 24/7 but outside of your mind, you are only gay when you tell and or show people you are gay. When your skin color is black, brown, etc., you are always on call. There are no days off from racism.
Furthermore, do you really not comprehend the hypocrisy in your rambling?!?!?! On one hand, you claim that Hollywood needs to make gay characters because you know they would do so well. On the other hand, you go on to state that it is the same struggle that black Americans are faced with and that some people won’t see films with black characters. Logical? Right!
You are more than welcome to call me a bigot or anything else you wish. Unlike you, my happiness and my knowledge and belief in who I am is not dependent on the thoughts and feelings of random strangers such as you. Again, it all comes down to gay people such as yourself, desperately wanting the rest of us to accept you, to like you, to not be grossed the heck out by that which turns you on. Good luck with that.
“I was about to let this nonsensical spring of comments pass, but I can’t.”
LOL!!!!! The little gay boy actually believes he has something to teach the rest of us. Good luck with that.
“Entertainment is more than about just entertaining. Good storytelling is designed to change people and make them see the world in a way they hadn’t before. Just because you come from the school of “shut up and sing” and “just entertain, don’t talk politics” doesn’t make it anything more than the mind numbing crap that it is.”
Woah nelly!!!! Hey umm, short bus, I’m a USC film and computer science grad. My father is a partner in an L.A. entertainment law firm. You are talking about a subject you know nothing about.
First of all, we call it show business because it is a business. Hollywood motion picture productions are made by LLC’s and for-profit corporations, not nonprofits. All of the major studies have shareholders. What that means is that they are in the business of producing products for the purpose of appealing to as wide an audience as they can because most films do not get to black; a few have to make up for the losses of the others.
“It’s garbage, like entertainment without substance, and it indicates the downfall of our civilization. Someone in the comments below talked about this (of all things) being the death of our civilization. Wrong. A dead culture with no artistic meaning is the sign of a dying civilization, not gay guys being represented in film.”
Silly fool! I’ve been to 22 countries and counting. There are things far worse than reality TV in our world. You speak as if to assume that America is hooked on reality TV. Over 350 million people in the U.S. and less 20% of them watch reality TV. Why don’t you research the stats for the most popular reality TV shows?! Google is your friend. Willful ignorance is not.
“Gay people are not as out in this society because of bigoted people like you. For every one out person, there are at least three other people who aren’t because they fear rejection and judgement by people like you.”
Short bus, I live in Malibu CA and work nearby in Santa Monica CA. Santa Monica is near West Hollywood, a city with an entire street filled with gay bars. Many gay people work within my dads firm. Your dramatic display belongs in grade schools that are not around here.
One more time; I don’t give an F what gay people do, where they live or work. The thought of gay sex is simply personally repulsive to me. Should I lie about that feeling and pretend it isn’t, just to make you feel better about yourself? I have no interest in seeing to men on screen going at it. I hardly like seeing too much sex with men and women but would take that over gay sex scenes any day.
You want for the world to see gay relationships no different than heterosexual relationships. Sorry, short bus, that ain’t ever going to happen on a mass scale. Why? Because it is natural for human beings to see something like sex on film and to imagine themselves in the place of the male or female. That also applies to watching porn. People don’t watch gay porn unless that is something that appeals to them. Why on earth do you suppose that lead actors are often physically very attractive people??? When it comes to sex scenes, most people enjoy seeing what they are attracted to. Period! Give the people what they desire is often a very good business decision.
“The real number of gay people in our society is not accurately reflected and if you factor in all of the people who are gay but lie due to religious bigotry, social stigma or the lack of freedom to be who they are, the number is closer to 22% than it is 3%.”
Let me guess, you also believe that the sun doesn’t rise until you wake up?! Again, google is your friend so why don’t you use it to discover why your 22% opinion, is very far from reality.
“This is why having gay people in films is so important. Having representation allows people to have a sense of identity they can hold onto and use it to bring themselves to terms with who they really are.”
Again, so you are once again ignoring the fact that motion pictures are a for-profit business. Companies are owned by people who have their money tied up in said companies. It is not their job nor responsibility to further your agenda. Take a look at the revenue figures for films with gay leading gay characters. Google it, short bus. America and the rest of the world, do not want to spend their money watching leading gay characters. Most of America (and the world) does not live on Broke Back Mountain, doesn’t want to visit Broke Back Mountain, nor do they want to receive postcards of Broke Back Mountain.
You don’t get to tell businesses how they should make their products. Again, show business is all about business when it comes to the people who own and fund the product. From market demographics to historical performance data; they greenlight projects that they believe can make a profit in not only the domestic market but more so now, the international markets.
“It also serves to normalize to everyone else that gay people are here and we aren’t going anywhere. ”
What so many of you LGBTQ members don’t seem to comprehend is that there are MANY of us who just don’t care. Don’t care as we fully understand that you are here and not going away. We just don’t care. Your happiness should not be dependent on how strangers view you and your lifestyle/romance/love, etc. That is what young LGBTQ members should be taught early on in life. You will never get approval from 100% of the world or even a majority of the world. After all of these decades, black Americans are still fighting racism and not just from old people. But somehow, you assume that your desire to be accepted by everyone should just happen yesterday. Good luck with that.
“Besides, gay people make up a significant audience of superhero films despite being a minority and a smart business would look to cater to that.”
There seems to be no end to your ignorance, made up facts and talking in circles. Again, short bus, the business of Hollywood, is the business of doing what makes money. There are MANY gay executives in Hollywood. Why don’t you try crying a river in their direction??? Why don’t you ask X-Men and Superman director Bryan Singer, why he did not and still does not feature more gay characters? Superman Returns was directed by Singer, a gay man. It co-starred a gay man, Spacey, it had a gay editor, Elliot Graham (who also edited Milk). But it had no gay characters.
You want Hollywood to make a special little gay superhero, then why not start by asking the gay Hollywood players to do so and see what they tell you.
“We aren’t the only group that isn’t being catered to in film either. Fat people deserve to be featured as superheroes,”
LOL!!!!! Short bus, most “fat people” don’t like to be called “fat people” any more than you like being called the H or F words. And as I’ve already stated, nobody is representing them even though there are FAR MORE of them than gay people and then of course, some of them are gay too. Again, most people would rather see their lead characters being someone they would like to be with, to have sex with, even if just in the fantasy land of their daydreams.
That is what makes people feel good. Feeling good is part of what gives people a good time. People go to watch movies to escape the reality of life. Even many obese people enjoy seeing someone who is not obese as that main character that they find attractive. Have you ever seen a daytime talk show? Notice all of the obese women in the audience screaming when a good looking athletic actor comes on stage?!?!?! What does that tell you?!?! What do you suppose that tells film studios?
When the first Transformers film was made, executive producer Steven Spielberg knew that the primary target audience would naturally be male. To help attract females, they cast a very good looking male lead, Josh Dunhamel. That is now and has always been the way the game of show business is played.
“For a large portion of the movie-going audience, gay people want to be seen and it would be successful. ”
No, short bus, that is not true. Really, your desires do not equal reality. Again, look at the historical data. All Hollywood cares about is success. If they had any real indicators that what you want, would be widely accepted, they would do it. Instead, here, in reality, you want Hollywood to force feed gay characters to the world in hopes that they will enjoy it and if not they ill choke on it as in “accept us or screw you.”
“Black people have faced the same sorts of discrimination because they weren’t society’s “majority” and to this day, a lot of people still don’t want to see black people on their screens for the same reasons bigots don’t want to see gay people.”
Now, here you are mixing some truth with some fiction. Black Americans are not in the exact same boat as gay people. You do not wear a badge on your forehead that says you are gay! In your mind, you are gay 24/7 but outside of your mind, you are only gay when you tell and or show people you are gay. When your skin color is black, brown, etc., you are always on call. There are no days off from racism.
Furthermore, do you really not comprehend the hypocrisy in your rambling?!?!?! On one hand, you claim that Hollywood needs to make gay characters because you know they would do so well. On the other hand, you go on to state that it is the same struggle that black Americans are faced with and that some people won’t see films with black characters. Logical? Right!
You are more than welcome to call me a bigot or anything else you wish. Unlike you, my happiness and my knowledge and belief in who I am is not dependent on the thoughts and feelings of random strangers such as you. Again, it all comes down to gay people such as yourself, desperately wanting the rest of us to accept you, to like you, to not be grossed the heck out by that which turns you on. Good luck with that.
There is a great deal of common sense in your posts, however I believe you’re being disingenuous in some areas:
“Entertainment is just that; entertainment. It is not meant to educate.”
You can surely agree that’s just your opinion. Every entertainment
product that tells a story presents a worldview, even if its makers have
no interest whatsoever in promoting that worldview. And the media has
an influence on society, for better or worse. After all propaganda
exists for a reason. I’m not saying the media is responsible for shaping
society, it’s more of a reflection, but it’s like a double-faced
mirror, and it has an effect. And this doesn’t contradict your next
idea:
“First of all, we call it show business because it is a business.”
“All Hollywood cares about is success.”
“You don’t get to tell businesses how they should make their products.”
“From market demographics to historical
performance data; they greenlight projects that they believe can make a
profit in not only the domestic market but more so now, the
international markets.”
I can understand your disgust at some people trying to force Hollywood
into making films you wouldn’t like. But according to your own logic,
there is no way share holders will allow the entertainment industry to
do that kind of movies.
If they did, it would mean they’re good business. And if they were, it
would turn out there aren’t that many people like you that finds them
disgusting, then. I can understand how you wouldn’t like that, but it’s
speculating on the future.
That the entertainment industry only cares about the business doesn’t
mean its products have no effect on society. You are conflating two
separate things into one. I’m pretty sure the food industry only cares
about the business too, but its products have a range of effects on
people, from potentially harmful to innocuous, some even
health-improving. Personally I favor health-improving products, if
possible. You are entitled to not caring about the messages
entertainment products divulge. Personally I do care, and I like the
idea of entertainment products that might help improve society. I think a
society where all minorities are respectfully treated is a better
society. If movies can help with that, I’m all for it. Which leads us to
your next idea:
“I believe in equal housing, employment, etc., for all LGBTQ people”
So you believe in a minority achieving equal rights, but you want them
to do it while remaining invisible on the media (because reminding you
of what they do in the bedroom disgusts you). I’m afraid that’s not how
it works. Changing society requires ruffling some feathers. It was never
achieved any other way. Fighting and visibility. Invisibility only
perpetuates the status quo. Movies are part of that visibility.
“don’t care what gay people do in their bedrooms. I just don’t have any
desire to ever see gay sex. Why? Because the very thought of two men
kissing, having sex, etc., is tremendously disgusting to me.”
Of course you are entitled to that. All of us must adapt, navigate, survive as best we can mediating our likes and society’s.
“Now I know, this is the part where you claim that the same was once
said
about black Americans. The problem with that false assumption is that
black people are no different than white, brown or any other people. A
black man is a biological male with the same primary sex organs as a
white biological male”
Yes, when it comes to sex organs, they’re the same. That’s why you don’t
have an issue with them, you are not a racist, just the sex thing. Yes,
they were discriminated for different reasons than gay men. But what
you don’t seem to realize is, discrimination itself is the common factor
here, not the reason for it. The fact that they were/are discriminated
for they skin color means some people found/find their skin color (and
everything else that racism entails) just as repulsive as you find
gay-sex to be. So if black people succeeded in overcoming racial
prejudice through civil rights movements, surely it makes sense for some
gay people to believe they can do the same for their prejudice. So:
“There is no future where we all just love to see gay/trans sex scenes.
There is no future where we all have no problem spending our time and
money watching gay/trans love stories.”
Of course, certainly, not ALL. But a future where more people will watch
a gay sex scene and won’t raise and eyebrow than they ever did in the
past? That’s already happened, man, it’s happening all the time around
you, especially teenagers, because they’re the first generation to have
grown up in a relatively gay-friendly environment. And guess what,
movies have been a part of that.
“Take a look at the revenue figures for films with gay leading gay characters.”
It’s funny that you would use Brokeback Mountain as a punchline for your
paragraph on how gay movies make poor business, because Brokeback was a
monumental financial success, but overall you are more right than
wrong, yes. The world still is what it is.
“Your happiness should not be dependent on how strangers view you and
your lifestyle/romance/love, etc. That is what young LGBTQ members
should be taught early on in life. You will never get approval from 100%
of the world or even a majority of the world”
True words.
“If all people were gay, the human race would have died out long ago.”
So?
“Imagine that; something that some people are, would end humanity if we
were all like that. Hmmmm………..”
It would be quite interesting to know exactly what you exactly mean by these last two sentences that I quoted. I wouldn’t want to answer with a great misunderstanding.
PS: sorry everyone for my mediocre English.
I haven’t seen this many idiotic comments in a Playlist article since they days of the Twilight movies.
“It shows the world that we aren’t a bunch of child predators and leeches, but people of strong character who do great things.”
No, it shows that you have a chip on your shoulder & will continue to force that chip in to media, even when the LGBT are already over represented in movies.
But that’s not me telling you that the LGBT are over represented in movies, that’s gay advocacy group GLAAD telling you that.
“It also allows there to be some diversity in a world where everyone on screen is white and straight and mostly male.”
LOL no. That hasn’t been a thing since the 70’s, stop pretending like it is, as a way to push your nonsense.
You’ve GOT to be a bot. No other way. Normal people don’t speak in memes and social justice talking points.
“is not that much to ask”
What gives you the right to make demands upon the creative works of another?
YOU DON’T GET TO ASK!
Half the reason people get so intolerant of minority groups is that the behavior of minority groups is socially intolerable! How bloody dare you think that you get a voice in someone else’s creative process! Who the hell are you? You are nobody! The fact that you think you even get a voice in this matter is itself elitist, arrogant, presumptuous, and flat out rude. Your liberal brainwashing has made entitlement thinking automatic for you, and it is doing far more to marginalize minority groups than anything else.
So when do we get the bipolar bisexual abortion having superhero? Quit pushing your liberal agenda on everybody else tolerance for everything as long as it fits your agenda. Here’s the difference if I don’t like your movie I won’t watch it. If you assholes don’t like a movie you don’t want anyone to see it.
She already exists. Her name is Jessica Jones. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/dee8a49d1ec20f8f7ac83abb8f462de1936870358d909c135beeecb42d0b3b60.jpg
You are talking that Netflix crap, haven’t watched it or had the urge to.with the exception of the Punisher.
ofc you’ve watched only The Punisher. Please, be more of a stereotype.
I have better shit to do than watch Trash that doesn’t interest me, or talk to fucking morons like you.
I like that you refer to the “better” things you have to do as shit. Seriously bro, quit playing yourself you’re digging a deeper hole.
But I’ll be over here, living my best gay life, anxiously awaiting my gay super hero movies, and you can continue crying about things that you can very easily choose to ignore. Have a great life.
Except as far as I know Jessica Jones isn’t Bipolar, bisexual, nor has she had an abortion.
Care to back up your statement with facts that would demonstrate that she is any of those things?
I was going more for the aesthetic he was describing. But JJ is pansexual in the comics and has no problems with abortion in the show. But you’re right, she’s not bipolar. Is that all you wanted? Someone to tell you you’re right?
But I digress, I’ll say the same to you that I said to Mr. NRA over here, I’ll keep living my best gay life and you can ignore LGBT media because it’s the fckn easiest thing to do because there’s precious little of it. And when gay people finally do take over the worl- I mean the MCU, I guess you’ll just have to watch one of the other billion shows and movies featuring all straight white people. But that sounds super boring so I recommend learning to be okay with gay people in your media
“I was going more for the aesthetic he was describing.”
Translation: “I was talking bullshit & hoped that no one would notice.”
“But JJ is pansexual in the comics”
And your evidence for that statement would be which issue, which panel, citation required.
Why does Disney insist on turning everything they own into a leftist socio-political propaganda vehicle? They have just sealed Marvel’s doom, and they don’t even realize it.
Are you fucking crazy?
Just focus on making good movies, not idiotic social justice
Good luck continuing to reign in the titanic profits of your empire by
gutting it from within to appease a vast minority of fans.