7. Adrien Brody was fairly devastated that his lead role was reduced to a small side character. John C. Reilly was also a major character who was reduced to a few lines and moments.
Adrien Brody’s character, Cpl. Geoffrey Fife, was the lead role in James Jones‘ original book and the 198-page screenplay that Malick wrote, but come editing time (and earlier) that was all changed when Brody’s role was decimated down to a glorified extra with two lines and about five minutes of screentime. It was humiliating for the actor who was already doing press for the film and was being touted as one of its leads. Of course, he had yet to see the film.
“I was so focused and professional, I gave everything to it, and then to not receive everything … in terms of witnessing my own work. It was extremely unpleasant because I’d already begun the press for a film that I wasn’t really in,” Brody said candidly in an April 2011 interview with the Independent.
“Terry obviously changed the entire concept of the film. I had never experienced anything like that.” He said he learnt a valuable, if painful, Hollywood lesson. “You know the expression ‘Don’t believe the hype’? Well, you shouldn’t.” Maybe he should have just called Richard Gere in advance and prepared himself considering that actor’s experience on “Days of Heaven.”
“I am anxious,” Brody said in the 1999 Premiere piece, “Welcome To The Jungle.” In the script his character would make a huge transformation from cowardly to courageous. “I can’t wait to get to into the more aggressive, confident stage. It will be easier for me as a person,” he said. Sadly, if that moment ever came, it never ended up on screen.
However, Malick knew while he was shooting the film was about to change drastically. “The first cut of the film was about Whit. He shifted everything while he was shooting,” longtime Malick editor and collaborator Billy Weber said on the Criterion DVD. There was a good, understandable reason for this. Malick was becoming enamored with an actor whose performance was blowing everyone away.
“He just had a really strong connection with that character and Jim Caviezel,” co-editor Leslie Jones said on the DVD extras. “You could see it; new footage coming in with Jim and it was much more focused and powerful. He found Whit’s voice during production and elaborated on it later.”
John C. Reilly had a much bigger role in the original script as well, but he seemed more at peace with his major excision from the film (he barely has any lines in the finished product). “I was lucky, I [at least] got to work fairly often. There were really great actors there that spent a whole month just waiting. Coming in every day, getting ready and then waiting and waiting and waiting and waiting,” he said in an interview that took place at the University of California Davis. “It was an amazing, amazing confusing delightful experience.”
In a very recent interview with The Playlist about his upcoming film “Terri,” Reilly told us that, “Terry was a fascinating guy – of all the kind of legendary directors I’ve worked with, he seemed the least like a filmmaker.”
“The way I saw it, [he felt], ‘Yeah, yeah, yeah, nevermind about all that,” Reilly said meaning the screenplay and the book. “ ‘I’ve got you all here now, and now I’m just going to see what’s happening for real. Like, what’s really happening today.’ Which is a crazy way to work for a producer, so he’s like ‘Okay, well we’re going to do the script so that I don’t get in trouble with the producer, but what I’m really doing is waiting for something real to happen. Then I’m going to collect it all, I go back and turn it into the story that it needs to be. Not what I planned on doing, not what the script said, not what the book said, not what I promised the producer; what I really had, and what seems like a really personal statement about what I experience when I was making this thing.’ ” Ballsy and far out.
8. There is no “legendary” five-hour cut. It was just the first assembly cut of all the footage.
Still even unmixed, without score and bare bones, “That five-hour version was very powerful, and you could see it was a very moving story back then,” Billy Weber said in an 1999 interview with the Motion Picture Editors Guild Newsletter.
But Malick had difficulty watching any assembly of the picture and had to be forced at near gunpoint to watch it by the editors who were about to revolt.
“We forced him to watch the first assembly cut of the movie which was five hours,” editor Billy Weber said on the Criterion DVD. “And we sat him down and I said to him, ‘I’m not going to work anymore. I’m stopping until you watch everything.’ So he did, we sat one day and we watched the five hour cut and I think he only watched the movie once from beginning to end and that was the first cut. I don’t think he ever watched it again from beginning to end.”
9. Hans Zimmer, by his own admission, may have gone a little nuts composing the music for “The Thin Red Line.”
Malick wanted Hans Zimmer to write the music before the movie was actually shot which is a highly unorthodox way of scoring films. Traditionally, composers watch the footage and score to picture, but this is Terrence Malick we’re talking about. He also wrote six hours of music, a fraction of which is used in the final film.
“I threw all my previous knowledge out the window and started again,” he said in an Inside Film interview from the late ‘90s. “I wrote for nine months without a day off. It was incredible pressure in the cutting room.” On the Criterion DVD he said that Malick moved into his studio for “a year, year and half before he even started on ‘Thin Red Line.’ ”
Zimmer never mentioned the mammoth script after he read it, feeling it was like the elephant in the room Malick didn’t want to discuss. “We spent an inordinate amount of time talking about colors, and these sorts of things,” he said. “Most of the time we having impractical, unpragmatic, philosophical conversations about films heading towards this monumental beast of a film [in] sideways and obtuse ways”
Zimmer became so neurotic about the experience that Billy Weber banned him from the dub stage. “I sound flippant about it [now], but it was six hours of music and it was hard work and I thought it was going to kill me,” he recalled on the Criterion DVD. “I remember going home, clutching my chest and going, ‘I don’t think I’m going to see Christmas’ and meaning it. I wasn’t joking.”
Zimmer and Malick then began to have heated conversations about absurd musical minutia that boiled over into huge arguments (according to the composer, Malick said the two men fought “like brothers”.). “It was so complicated, especially once we set upon this course of removing more and more dialogue,” he said. “I kept feeling the weight of the lack of words on my shoulders trying to keep the river running. After a while it became a mine field of my own neurosis.”
10. Casting the picture took over a year.
“The Thin Red Line” had a long-gestating period. Word got out in 1995 that Malick was working on a new film, but casting didn’t even take place until 1996 and 1997. Part of the reason why people like Johnny Depp, Brad Pitt and others didn’t appear in the film is simple. “Terry’s idea was; he didn’t want to work with stars, he wanted people you would just believe in the characters,” longtime Malick casting director Dianne Crittenden said on the Criterion DVD extras. “His way was to make it just as real as possible and to do that was to use people you didn’t recognize.”
On said DVD, there’s a litany of brief glimpses of people who auditioned including Philip Seymour Hoffman, Josh Hartnett, Neil Patrick Harris, Brendan Sexton III (“This Boy’s Life”), Luke Perry, Crispin Glover and many others. While he eventually didn’t get a part, Stephen Dorff, “Had to audition, he just had to,” Crittenden said. “He worked on it and worked on it and he was like, ‘please, can I wait for him?’ and he’d wait and wait and wait and he’d come in and we’d [audition] until 11pm.”
According to producer Bobby Geisler in the 1999 Vanity Fair profile, Malick became starstruck by all the A-list actors that were at bowing at his feet. According to Geisler he told Malick, “You’re going to compromise the movie” (this sentiment of Malick being initially enamored by Depp and Pitt is corroborated in 1999’s Premiere article “Welcome To The Jungle”).
Truth or fiction, regardless, Malick seemed to be of that thinking anyhow. A source in the VF article said he said he too was reluctant to include stars. “The audience will know that Pitt’s going to wake up after his death scene and collect his $1 million.”
“You don’t want egos and people who want attention,’’ Crittenden said of the casting process which meant no time for kid-gloves with actors who wanted special treatment. “He wanted a certain transparency, that the actor was willing to put their own ego aside and just inhabit the character. The kind of actor who works best with Terry is someone who is someone who is extremely flexible that doesn’t get hung up on lines and words,” she said delicately, knowing all too well many of those lines and words don’t actually make the final picture.
For me, thin red line is one of the best war films I\’ve seen. A rare film that deals more with life, than with death. Five times better than saving private Ryan.
makes me mad when people compare TTRL to saving private ryan
the thin red line is in another league
much better picture
Terrence Malick is pretentious and by the sounds of it, a C**t!
You would think that, with all that research, you would\’ve found a source with the correct spelling of Kirk Acevedo.
Such a cool article. Great job!
Fascinating read. Thank you so much for this. I realize most of this is old, but I would have never come across ALL of this info without hunting the webs for days.
Great stuff.
\”His film was about the horrors of war, the fear and innocence lost that quaked through soldiers and the capacity for humanity that still existed amongst such insanity.\”
Have you even seen Saving Private Ryan? Did you miss the chapel scene? Most of the conversations walking? The movie was a lot more than the D day. The entire movie was about the search for decency within war.
Fantastic post about an incredible film guys, cheers.
What a great way to start off the weekend. Thank you for this great article. 🙂
I LOVE this article and enjoy reading it tremendously. Thank you so much. Great work!
I thought this was a great read and look forward to more posts like this by other directors. I would consider myself a Malick fan, but by no means an obsessive one. And I don\’t own any Malick films on Criterion, so I was new to a lot of this information. I still haven\’t been able to see Tree of Life because it\’s not playing in my town, but this post gave me just the right Malick fix.
Yeah I knew most of this stuff too…but not all of it. And it was nicely written.
The New World one is definitely the one I\’m most anticipating though.
I saw this recently as part of the Malick retrospectives, and while it has a few dips and Days of Heaven is smoother, The Thin Red Line has so many passages of sustained excellence it\’s freakish. I mean, like the whole first hour.
Absolutely fascinating read. Don\’t let the naysayers convince you otherwise.
@CC
I read that back in the day and even emailed Rachel recent, but no luck. I can\’t find a copy of it online.
You don\’t happen to have, do you?
As someone who\’s trying to make their way through the film production world, I really find all of these sort of posts to be absolutely fascinating. Behind the scenes production stories never cease to entertain me.
Great work. Especially for clarifying exactly which actors were cut out and that there weren\’t 125 famous actors edited out of the final film. That rumor has been getting more and more elaborate over the years, and with Tree Of Life\’s release reached absurd proportions.
Another superb Thin Red Line article fans of the film should seek out was in the January 1999 issue of \”Premiere\”, titled \”Welcome to The Jungle\”, by Rachel Abramowitz. She seems to have been one of the few journalists allowed to visit the set and actually be present during filming, and she qoutes Malick\’s directions to the actors several times.
I enjoy reading these articles quite a bit so thank you Playlist. Looking forward to the New World\’s piece.
Well, we set out to do this: things you may or may not know about the MAKING of the film.
That was the idea. So that\’s what we did. I collected tons of stuff for this piece and then filtered what I personally found interesting.
Maybe on the frantisk blog you can discuss what you think is interesting?
Personally, i just find this stuff much more interesting than my take on \”movie itself\” which would amount to the same review that\’s been written 4,0000 times.
You sound like someone who knows this story well, so its probably dull for you, c\’est la vie?
I\’m just saying, Thin Red Line is a pretty interesting movie, you guys could probably do something cool exploring the actual movie, rather than just rehashing the same \”Terrence Malick is so eccentric…he shoots birds instead of actors!\” type stuff.
don\’t you think movie itself is a whole lot more interesting than casting gossip from 1999?
There will be 12 more posts like this. Get ready.
Just saying…how many more \”Terrance Malick has unorthodox shooting methods and can be difficult to work with!\” posts do you guys really need?
that\’s literally the gist of every single Malick post you put up, why not try exploring something other than that?
\”what is this?\” uhh, we\’re celebrating the release of Terrence Malick films — as stated in the intro you dummy. Put some fruitjuice in your milk.
\”In the lead up to the wide release of Malick’s latest film, “The Tree of Life” (July 8 is the date), week by week, we’ve been getting reacquainted with his body of films and the behind-the-scenes making of each picture.\”
Are you guys really so dense? Not everyone has time or even knows about this info. Congratulations, you guys are obsessive Malick nerds and you can now crow about it. But there are lots of people who haven\’t dug into the film or may not know some of this stuff (certainly some of this info was new to me). And we explain why we did the feature in the first place in the article.
So if you already know, don\’t read and stop getting your panties in a twist each week.
this would be a really interesting article, if it were 10 years ago, we didn\’t already have the criterion DVD, and the articles where you took all of your info hadn\’t already been published.
seriously, what is this?
Thank u criterion for all this info.